Lets say 25 Jack clones died while in flight and 25 Vic clones are left stranded in the loft, then 25 Jack clones are still out there trying to find the remaining 25 Vic clones back at home base. after all they are pretty autonomous every time it goes offline due to its orbit. At the end, Jack 49 leaves some sort of big parchment for Julia when she wakes up for her to read after he’s died. Universal Pictures, which had also bid for the original rights, then bought them from Kosinski and Radical Comics and authorized a PG-13 film version. Yet... Oblivion is so beautiful to look at. . Even if the memories are the “same” (and they are not, as they are not real memories in the case of a clone), this is still an entirely different person. Also the clones could maintain both the drones and themself, allowing Tet to just have a minor eye on things. While there are admittedly a lot of plot holes…strangely, they didn’t bother me very much. Telescopes? Oblivion is a 2013 science-fiction film that is an adaptation of a unpublished graphic novel co-written by Joseph Kosinski (who also directed this film). We learn during the film that Jack is one of innumerable clones, but for whatever reason, this Jack has a spark that has somehow captured the essence of the original. (Which is ok, I have some theories about that too…) But, I distinctly remember that 49 had to switch flight suits with 52 in order for his aircraft to “recognize” him, become operational & fly him back to the sky home base of 52. Club states that an "unsettling sense of not-quite-right coats all of the film's steely surfaces, and Kosinski and his co-writers give audiences plenty of time to absorb the unease and gear up for the action". Likely the scenes we see with him proposing is shortly before the Titan mission, b/c they wanted to be married before going. Please now do Mullholland Drive, I didn’t get that one at all. I’ll have to watch that tech 52 vs. 49 scene again, but wasn’t the bubble ship sort of facing away from the downed drone and where the two tech’s fought? (The aircraft flew him there, or else how would he know where to go? If when the Tet blows up all power to the techs loft goes out and all power to the cool tech pod ships go out then you have a lot of Jack clones crashing and dying and Vic clones left stranded in the floating lofts. She is an A.I. Since Julia was love of his life, he kept remembering her. "[38], To guide Anthony Gonzalez of M83 through the scoring process, director Kosinski brought in Joseph Trapanese, who co-wrote the score alongside Gonzalez. Directed by Sam Irvin. Most of humanity has left Earth for a massive tetrahedral space station (called Tet). – Perhaps the biggest unexplained aspect (for me) is the mysterious re-entry of the cryopod capsule to earth after 60 years? Morgan Freeman as Malcolm Beech: Leader of a large community of 'scavengers', or human survivors from the alien Tet's attacks. The novel, however, was never finished, as Kosinski now admits that "It was just a stage in the project [of film development]". On the way in the Tet analysed Jacks voice and breathing, knew he was lying but still couldnât scan the attached lifeform and know it was not Julia? (& that was when she got pregnant…which explains the tears in his eyes when he sees both of them.) With Richard Joseph Paul, Jackie Swanson, Andrew Divoff, Meg Foster. "[55] Michael O'Sullivan of the Washington Post states that "[i]f you're able to forgive and forget, Oblivion isn't a bad place to start loving Tom Cruise all over again. All questions could have (or can) answered in a well written science-based book. Much deeper fidelity, if you will, including brain engrams and synaptic patterns from the adult source material (Jack and Victoria). Some imagination needed to bridge this hole. Some subtleties that struck me as either interesting and/or plot holes include: Wow..thank you so much! (oh, and they had been looking at the Wyeth painting together in the scav’s bunker which also appeared to be a library of sorts…or maybe just made up of things they had collected over time…she had said it reminded her of home. [42] A deluxe edition of the soundtrack was released the same day exclusively through iTunes. After witnessing a spacecraft crash, from which he is able to rescue a survivor, Harper is captured by scavengers and fights against a new and evolving alien threat. Its a movie⦔. I wouldn’t take away his transportation anyhow, since it may help them carry out the goals they want (and in fact i did, right?). The scene is more interesting to describe than it is to watch. "[55] Randy Myers of the San Jose Mercury News states that the "mix of gee-whiz gadgetry and the day-to-day routineness of Jack and Victoria's lives is interesting enough, but the film is too glacially paced for it to work". Enjoyed studying this, very good stuff, regards . That picture, incidentally, is a famous 1948 painting by Andrew Wyeth, titled “Christina’s World”. The film closed on June 27, 2013. “”””””Ace says: Fish from sea or/and lakes, rivers etc. How did the scavengers know how to signal the hibernation pod? – what does happen to the other Jack and Vicra clones in their towers around the world once the Tet was destroyed?? If youâre posting comments here, assume that anyone in the conversation has seen the movie â if you havenât seen the movie, we would ⦠At the base, Beech tells Jack and Julia the Tet is an alien artificial intelligence. That’s why such the strange expression when she snapped the picture. The first official synopsis for director Joseph Kosinski's sci-fi film Oblivion, starring Tom Cruise and Olga Kurylenko. 2. 12. – Surely Jack, after wasting a few scavs on prior maintenance runs, would’ve inspected his handiwork and discovered they were actually humans? It was later announced that the role had been given to Kurylenko. Quite a bit to Titan, thus hibernation, I’d think. Thanks. It is undeterminable when the catastrophe of loss of solar orbit would occur, but it would happen within a few more decades. 6 months ago. The Tet gives them instructions and protocols to follow, approves or denies requests, and reinforces the promise of one day returning to the Tet. But the age doesn’t make sense because that would make Freeman like 85+. "[53] Kevin Harley of Total Film gave the film three stars and said "It isn't a reboot or reimagining, refreshingly, but Oblivion plays like a stylised remix of superior sci-fi ground-breakers". Or do these two things tie in together? Which is why we never really see Vicka’s memories, we have to assume because of her personality and motivation to complete the Tet mission, she is only focused on that and not of her residual memories. -Hoffa. Tet design inspire me and my game much. They are assigned the thankless mission of staying on earth and repairing any drones if and when necessary. The original Jack (by original I mean pre-clone Jack not Jack 49) did not have that girl. Like a book, a movie is written with a perspective in mind, and the writers of Oblivion decided to use third-person limited; which basically means we as a viewer only know as much as Jack does and nothing more. 2. The other thing I want to know is in said Jack 52’s voiceover, he talks about “I know he must have built a house and I needed to find it and find you (Julia),” which makes sense he’d get that idea because the “building a house in the woods” idea was a memory he had from pre-cryo, pre-cloning, basically a memory that the original Jack had, and therefore all his clones had that memory dormant. He explained in an interview with Empirethat "partnership with Radical Comics allowed me to continue working on the story by developing a series of images and continuing to refine the story more over a period of years. I’m sure it used that same MO on other worlds it had scavenged from. [17], Tom Cruise had expressed interest in the film for a long time, and officially committed to it on May 20, 2011. Allot of holes, but I’m wondering why Julia was in a pod with a different name when she and Jack were already married at the time of the mission? Oblivion grossed US$89,107,235 in the U.S. and US$198,809,398 internationally, bringing the worldwide total to US$287,916,633. The release was scheduled to be in both a standard and a SteelBook Limited Edition form. 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"I come from Tarkovsky-land, and at that point I hadn't watched it for many years. I've just started playing Oblivion. 7. Just silly. [48], In North America, the film earned US$37.1 million on its opening weekend, including US$5.5 million from IMAX screenings in 323 theaters, making it Cruise's best North American opening after Mission: Impossible film series and War of the Worlds.[49]. [12] Disney subsequently released the rights after realizing the PG-rated film they envisioned, in line with their family-oriented reputation, would require too many story changes. I⦠Not mentioned above is I thought the music was absolutely perfect for the story. Then I basically used all that dev⦠The unmanned aerial drones that figure prominently in the plot were created to appear to be in the same design family as the Bubble Ship. How come it never detected the other ships in the radiation zones? [45] One month later it was announced that the United Kingdom branch of Universal Studios would be releasing the film on home video in its region on August 6, 2013 with the on-demand version on August 18, 2013. Why does the AI have to clone the humans at all. Oblivion is a 2013 American post-apocalyptic action-adventure film co-produced and directed by Joseph Kosinski, and produced by Peter Chernin with screenplay by Karl Gajdusek and Michael deBruyn, starring Tom Cruise in the main role alongside Olga Kurylenko, Andrea Riseborough, Morgan Freeman and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau in supporting roles. The ejection occurred 60 years ago. I watched it on HBO last night (completely sober) and was lost almost immediately. A few years late with response I know lol but just wanted to point out the last 2 or so minutes of movie for your question about Jack regaining his memory. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Gonzalez added, "I worked with Joseph a lot, and he's very particular about the music in his movies, so we spent a lot of time talking about music and working the arrangements together. Enter your location to see which movie theaters are playing Oblivion near you. When we see the bubble craft fly towards orbit with the pod attached to it, that is the different one they scavenged for Beech from the crash site (remember, there would be at least two empty pods laying around the crash site, the ones Jack and Victoria had been in before wakign up 60 years ago, and the drones that fired on survivors wouldn’t touch those since they had no humans in them so should have remained intact to use). Thank you so much for this! I can’t remember if they ever explained it. you if that would be okay. I came across your sight while watching Oblivion for the second time today. ENTER CITY, STATE OR ZIP CODE GO. The ship would be far easier to use and spot things from above. After all, all those clones we see inside Tet are fully grown to the same age as the originals at the time of capture. Visually nice but far too many “mistakes” / problems: 1. Julia is russian, and they met while already in the international Titan astronaut program (because really, what are the odds of first being a couple and THEN getting co-jobs like that?). Commander Jack Harper was the commanderof the 2017NASA mission to explore Saturn's largest moon,Titan. Once in orbit, and by the time Tet really arrived, it’s just another of the 1,000s of space junk orbiting Earth – until Beech cracked the codes to bring it back down 60 years later (I know, that is a stretch but its their story). how are they exactly suppose to restart history with a hundred jacks that all love Julia…. It might not seem like that looking at the film and how it gives homage to other classic sci-fi films. In the early scenes Jack goes to teh surface to find and repair 2 drones. It would make a future part 2 more enticing as something Why was the crypto chamber not shot down or discovered? It’s not an actual memory of a certain person that talks to you. Later viewings make much more sense, and all the subtle details emerge. We don’t know what “clone” means to Tet. Why did they not reprogram drone 166 (Jack removed it’s power source while fighting Jack 52)? Any opposing views? Led by mission director Sally aboard the Tet, a giant space station that orbits Earth, they are about to complete their five-year mission and return to the Tet to travel to humanity's new home on Saturn's moon Titan. So good move not blowing things up that could be … and were … useful later. Also when Jack 47 and Jack 52 encounter each other how did Vicra miss that (I know she said some excuse line when Jack 47 showed up at the station (with a unnoticed bloodied nose to boot), but wasn’t she suppose to be watching. Apparently Jack 52 was ” informed ” and was able to seek out Julia as if Jack 49 didn’t exist. It goes like this. I watched it last night and it definitely confused the h…out of me. – Questions have been raised about why the Tet needed to create clones in the first place and and create such an elaborate charade for the multiple Jack (and Vicra) clones, when it was clearly capable of manufacturing effective human killing drones? 7. Great explanation. Lol a little silly but it is minute enough to brush it off for me. The drones could have been sufficient for protecting the energy stations on earth and keeping the human threat away. My favorite part of Oblivion is when Jack fights Jack ( Tom Cruise ) fights himself. And we are then left to also assume 52 found the scavs and they revealed the same information to 52 that was told to 49. Three years later, she and her daughter meet the resistance members and Tech 52 Jack whose true memories were triggered by his encounter with Julia and Tech 49 Jack. But, Tet is so advanced it may have a very different way of copying organisms. Why does the Tet need humans (cloned or otherwise) to maintain drones on the surface? Wouldn’t you say? It’s a mortal offense against the original Jack to simply replace him with a clone. Why did the Odyssey’s crypto chamber not get sucked into the Tet? Just watched the movie for the second time after seeing it in the theater and enjoyed it even more. Harper and his housemate and communications partner Victoria "Vika" Olsen are among the few people left on Earth. 2. No, no, no Then I basically used all that development as a pitch kit to the studio. The novel, however, was never finished, as Kosinski now admits that "It was just a stage in the project [of film development]". The film is set in the year 2077, sixty years after Earth has been devastated from the effects of an alien invasion. Or was it supposed to be like a voiceover Jack 52 was having on the spot when he finally found Julia, who was with the girl, in front of the house in the woods? If someone has explained that already, sorry – I tried to read all the posts, but may have missed one or two explanations. And lastly 2. Here are just a few. Its all speculation. not thats correct at all it was a side mission to explore the tet. The most confusing part to me was: Why in the world was there one oasis of thriving plant life and fish life, and where the hell did it come from, how did Jack find it, and why was nowhere else on the planet like that? This leads me to conclude that the Victoria clones were working with Tet all along and the charade was for the Jack clones alone. As to 1000s of Jacks or VIctorias suddenly left on Earth wondering what to do. 5. Oh, no, it wasn’t Jack or the Scavs. Thus the false “radiation zone”. Probably a built in security precaution. I just watched the movie and I was totally confused about the ending. Oblivion was first presented in Buenos Aires on March 26, 2013, Dublin on April 3, and in Hollywood on April 10 at the Dolby Theatre where Cruise himself announced before the screening that the film was actually the first feature to be mixed completely "from start to finish" in the latest state-of-the-art Dolby Atmos surround sound. what was Julia unwrapping at the end after waking up from her sleep,,,..some say it was the painting that was in their lil house…but then why was the painting wrapped as it was already there on the wall..or was it something else ? and so on. When they return to the tower, Vika refuses to let them enter, having witnessed the couple's exchange through the camera on Jack's craft. 2. "[55] Peter Travers of Rolling Stone calls it "arid and antiseptic, untouched by human hands". So it was a matter of time as he wandered perhaps into zone 49 a bit trying to figure out what tech 49 already had, and 3 years later apparently he did, and also had found the other scavs which filled him in a lot. He could have landed it rightby the sinkhole where the 2nd droid was discovered. An example of this can also be seen when she tells the “original” Jack that she is staying on the Odyssey because “it is the mission.”. "[55] Anthony Lane of The New Yorker states that the film "[f]eels ever more grounded and stuck. When she arrived they gazed at each other before going up to the roof where Jack told her to look through a telescope saying "Look through here and I will show you the future". How come it never detected the other ships in the radiation zones? Some of it came together for me at the end but your summary totally helped with the missing pieces. why didn’t the drones survived tet destruction? Tet had the power to destroy an object as big as the moon but couldnât destroy a bunch of humans cooped up in a cave?!!! It was a known “scavanger place”, thus his ship would be endagered(and in extension, Jack would be as well). And I can go on and on… Does anybody want somebody to write the book for it? Instead, he visits a secret cabin he has built in a hidden lush green valley and filled with mementos from Earth's past. After untying himself he probably attempted to get back to base where he was given time to think about things. Notice how when they fade from him leaving Earth in his bubble craft to showing the Odyssey flashback, it gets dark like deep space (not light aura from Earth). It should have destroyed the rest of the odyssey or pulled it in initially. I agree. They detonate it, killing themselves and destroying the Tet. So Jack 49 asks Jack 52âs partner if she wants to visit the surface with him and she vehemently tells him no â implying that 52 is much like 49 in that they share the same curious nature that was observed by the Scavs. Your favorite reason seemed to be on the net the simplest thing to take into accout of. Last question is, what happened to all the other Jack’s and Vickra’s? Can someone explain when the switch of pods (Julia for Morgan’s character) occurs? And why doesn’t the Tet ask for any of the skav’s if it wanted another human? So why didn’t it detect the hibernation pod whilst it was in space and simply destroy it there. Sally is the main antagonist of the 2013 American post-apocalyptic science fiction action film based on Joseph Kosinski's unpublished graphic novel of the same name, Oblivion. Jackâs station in the sky can obviously track all objects on the planet surface, including drones, other craft, scavengers etc. Both 49s are dead leaving 51 pairs. Also, most of them would arguably be at their stations and maybe they also stopped working or exploded or initialized the robotcop, killing machine, when Tet blew up. After he dismantles the transmitter he tells Vika he'll perform a perimeter check around the border where the "radiation zone" meets the safe area. I say to you, I definitely get irked even as other folks consider issues that they plainly don’t recognize about. Had to send drones in to do it! [55] Rick Groen of Canada's The Globe and Mail called it "an okay blockbuster, a multimillion-dollar exercise in competence". The only thing that really makes no sense to me â at the end of the movie, why wouldnât the Tet have just killed Jack & âJuliaâ (which we find out is actually MFâs character) immediately as the ship was approaching. Ramble On is the third song on the second side, But Jack started it at the beginning. [32] A Red Epic was also used for scenes that required going handheld or when body mount rigging was applied. [46] In June 2013, it was announced that the film would be released on home video in America also on August 6, 2013. Daniel Simon, who previously worked with Kosinski as the lead vehicle designer on Tron: Legacy, was tasked with creating the Bubble Ship from this basis, incorporating elements evocative of an advanced fighter jet with the Bell 47 to create a light, functional vehicle that was both practical and aesthetically pleasing, much as he observed with the ships in . Julia and Jack 49 had that girl together and thus it was a “new memory” specific to Jack 49, not Jack 52 or any of the others, so how did Jack 52 know about that girl before finding Julia? Enjoyable movie but one major flaw – no clone would share the memories of its original – a clone is based purely on the DNA of the original, which never changes from birth, no memories or learned skills are ever passed to a clone! He isn’t sure what caused this. Filming locations included Baton Rouge and New Orleans, Louisiana. Why are there not teams of Jack’s hunting the Skavs? Oblivion is also about realizations, about who governs your reality, about discovering your path in life and about how love is at the center of it all. They reveal themselves as humans (not aliens) and tell him the truth. What was “sally” trying to accomplish. Why does the Tet need humans (cloned or otherwise) to maintain drones on the surface? These Scavs watch Jack and notice that he is different than the other clones because he shows an unprecedented curiosity with these lost and forgotten objects from times past. While on duty, Jack discovers the scavengers are using the Empire State Building's antenna to transmit coordinates within Grid 17 to outer space. He states that I’m not him, but I am…or something like that. However, after watching this movie several times I believe that the only unanswered flaws are: Oblivion the movie is an entirely different beast that values a human story and characters that are driven by common purpose. As for MattD’s questions. 6. Their leader, Malcolm Beech, who was a young soldier during the war, asks Jack to reprogram a captured drone to carry nuclear fuel cells to the Tet to destroy it. 5 (Spoiler-Filled) Lingering Questions About Oblivion Oblivion is a solid sci-fi flick, but also one that leaves viewers asking a lot of questions. It was in the pod with her, what she had scrambled to unroll and look at and what she had hung on the stone mantel in the cabin. Information like who built the Tet, where it comes from, and how it uses the earth as an energy source are never explained. Aliens Came to Our World â Okay, well thatâs pretty self-evident. And then when Jack 52 saw his clone (Jack 49) in the desert and got woken up to the weird stuff happening and also of course saw Julia and knew she was real, it would make sense that he’d remember that and go after that stuff. But in a movie theater, no one will see you yawn. 49 is different because he’s met Julia, and 52 saw her as well. Jack 49 takes Jack 52âs ship, goes back to 52âs house, and discovers another commanding officer, who is a spitting image of his commanding partner. Cruise's sperm-ship enters through an airlock that resembles a geometrized vulva. In the inventory menu there are four symbols in the top of the screen, below are numbers. by Aristophanes. – unless there is some sort of mechanism that was able to push the craft at a speed that was sufficient enough to push it out of the gravitational force of the Tet. – Victoria’s clone seemed to know all along about Julia being Jack’s wife but didn’t let on until Jack returned to their sky pad after Julia had told him. Very helpful and now I can rest in peace without trying to work this over in my mind too much. Obviously the Tron: Legacy collaboration with Daft Punk worked out as good as I would have ever hoped, [so] I wanted to do something similar in that I'm pulling an artist from outside the movie business to create an original sound for this film." For those who are wondering why jack was allowed into the Tet, it was because he said that him and Julia would be a better team instead of him and Victoria. Original Jack & colleague werent killed on Tet, they had memory erasure (but some crept back). . On June 28, 2012, it was announced that French electronic band M83 would compose the soundtrack for Oblivion. ), THE MOVIES WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BUT TOO CONFUSING. [25] [26] [27] Out of approximately three months of shooting, 69 days were shot in Louisiana, from March through May 2012, 11 days were shot in New York in June 2012, a few in Mammoth in California in June 2012, and 10 days were filmed in Iceland in June 2012,[28] when the daylight lasts for nearly 24 hours a day. Could be alot of different things… Mushrooms, crops and/or animal “farms” below ground. "[41], The soundtrack album was released on April 9, 2013, by Back Lot Music. I am sure that the Tet would utilize the entire ocean, setting up dozens, if not, hundreds of the water extractors. But I’d say it was because two things. Also, I don’t get why the area around the Empire State Building in the movie is mountainous and the terrain is come rely different than the current terrain – I realize there were events with war and the moon being partially destroyed, but would this really have created a different landscape entirely? While repairing the drones, Jack gathers items that are left over from the past, such as books, baseballs, and records. Also sign me up for FanMail to get updates on all things movies: tickets, special offers, screenings + more. Will probably be back to get more. It was a “radiation zone”, not many lifeforms could really survive there – according to the false data that Tet provided Jack with. 10. Just watched the movie and struggled to understand it in a lot of ways, it was OK but a bit too slow! Undeniably imagine that which you said. Jack said as much before Sally opened the inner door. Odessey pod ejected would/should have also been attracted into the tet 1. Why Didnât 49 Give the Scavs Directions to His Lake House? The biggest question I have though is why did the Tet want his wife? I remember Jack 49 apparently swapped tech suits with 52, therefore it was really Jack 49 at the end still wearing 52s clothing. 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